I’ve always walked away from conversations between Perel and podcast hosts with something of value. Her interview on the Huberman Lab podcast was no exception. My favorite quote speaks to the tendency to omit to see how we contribute to problems: I am a practicing couples therapist for almost 40 years, and couples often come to therapy thinking that you’re a drop-off center. They come to deliver their problem and their problem is their partner – and you’re gonna fix it. And they’re gonna help you because they’re an expert on what’s wrong with the partner. And it’s an amazing thing how people have tremendous insight on all the shortcomings of the other person and do not see themselves as part of a system.